The report of the Chief Officer Elections and
Regulatory requested Member’s consideration for the
application for the grant of a premises licence for Mleczko 329-333
Harehills Lane, Leeds LS9 6AX.
The Legal Officer outlined the procedure for
the meeting. It was noted that there was only two Members of the
Licensing Sub Committee, as the third Member was unfortunately ill.
All parties were happy to proceed with two Members.
Present at the meeting were:
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Dana Morad – Karpaty Foods Ltd
·
Patrycja Para – Karpaty Foods Ltd
·
Nick Semper – JMC Licensing Consultants
·
Kate Coleman – Environmental Protection Team
·
Peter Mudge – Communities Team, Town Centre Management
·
PC Clifford – Leeds District Licensing
·
PC Croft – West Yorkshire Police
·
Chetna Patel – Public Health
·
Cllr Salma Arif
·
Sue Duckworth – Entertainment Licensing
The
Licensing Officer provided the Sub Committee with the following
information:
·
This is the first application for these premises
made by Karpaty Foods Ltd for Mleczko, 329 – 333 Harehills
Lane, Leeds LS9 6AX.
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The application is for sale by retail of alcohol for
consumption off the premises
o
Sunday to Thursday 08:00 – 22:00
o
Friday and Saturday 08:00 – 23:00
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A redacted copy of the application was attached to
the submitted report at Appendix A. The applicant proposed to
promote the licensing objectives by taking steps identified in
Section M of the application form.
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A map identifying the location of the premises was
attached at Appendix B
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Representations had been received from Leeds City
Council Entertainment Licensing, Environmental Protection Team,
Communities Team, Public Health, West Yorkshire Police Licensing
Team and the Local Neighbourhood Policing Team Sergeant. Each
representation on behalf of the Responsible Authorities objected to
the application outright. A compilation of the representations was
appended to the report at Appendix C.
·
The application had attracted ten representations
opposing the application from both members of the public and Ward
Councillors. Copies of the representations were attached at
Appendix D.
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The premises is located
within the cumulative impact area for Harehills and a copy of the
policy was attached at Appendix E.
Mr
Semper, the applicant’s representative, provided the Sub
Committee with the following information:
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This would be a family friendly convenience store
selling East European foods for the Eastern Europeans in the
area.
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The applicants have licensed premises elsewhere in
the city and also in Reading. These premises have had no issues as
they have a raft of conditions, one of which is that no sale of
alcohol would take place without at least £5 of
non-alcohol/non-tobacco items also being purchased.
·
Ms Para and Mr Morad own Karpaty Foods Ltd, Ms Para
is the sole director and would be the Designated Premises
Supervisor (DPS) of the Mleczko. She gained her personal licence
from Wakefield Council.
·
Ms Para and Mr Morad have managed a convenience
store in Armley which is also in a cumulative impact area called
Armley Food Centre. They also manage Polenz at Middleton Park
Circus and a convenience store in Reading which is just outside a
cumulative impact area. It was noted that Ms Para and Mr Morad had
sold the Armley store to purchase the Reading store.
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Mr Semper said that these would not be dingy corner
shops and referred to the YouTube clips that he had sent as
supplementary information. Which showed the stores at Reading,
Middleton Park Circus and the Harehills store which was still
undergoing refurbishment. He said these were well stocked, well
managed, catering to Eastern European families.
·
Ms Para and Mr Morad had invested £250,000 in
the store in Harehills
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He was of the view that this application was very
comprehensive with a condition unique to Leeds. He explained that
no sale of alcohol would go ahead without the addition of £5
being spent on groceries. He said that this had been used with good
effect in other areas such as the Midlands and
Wakefield.
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Mr Semper was of the view that granting this
premises licence would not add to the anti-social issues in this
area. He said he was not challenging the fact that Harehills needed
such a policy but he was of the view that a contingent £5
purchase would put street drinkers off from buying alcohol from
Mleczko, it was only speculation that it would increase the issues
of street drinkers.
·
This store is for Eastern European families to
purchase groceries. No single units of alcohol would be sold, and
no high strength lagers or ciders, the highest strength would
6.5%.
West
Yorkshire Police – Neighbourhood Policing Team and District
Licensing informed the Sub Committee of the following
points:
- The
police were of the view there was no comparison between Wakefield
and the issues faced in Leeds particularly in the Harehills area.
They did not agree that the £5 contingent purchase would not
put street drinkers or those with alcohol issues off purchasing
alcohol, as they find the money to do this.
- Mr
Semper said that the store would not be selling high strength
alcohol. However, in the clips sent there were spirits shown and
this is what the street drinks want. It was also noted that the
Mleczko store already had alcohol on show, which in his view showed
the focus of the premises.
- The
Police said that many of the street drinkers in Harehills were not
homeless people but lived in or around the area. They predominantly
stand around bookmakers and off licences in large groups which is
intimidating for residents.
- The
Police have recently been using a Closure Order as these people can
be intimidating, cause assaults on each other and other residents,
verbally abuse people, become hostile and aggressive especially
when they are refused alcohol making life difficult for store
owners.
- This
store is being promoted as a family store. However, these people
will congregate around the store intimidating residents who wish to
shop there.
- Harehills is a busy area, and the Police are doing as much as
they can to address the issues in the area. However, residents are
genuinely unhappy and do not feel the Police are doing
enough.
The
Licensing Authority Officer provided the following
information:
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Points 7.24 to 7.26 of the Licensing Policy and
points 7.32 to 7.39 of the Cumulative Impact Assessment for
Harehills were highlighted. It was noted that these had been taken
into account when assessing the grant of a new premises
licence.
·
The case of Brewdog was also highlighted which was
noted as lessons learnt for the Licensing Authority.
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It was the view of the Licensing Officer that to
grant the premises licence for this store would impact on the
cumulative impact policy for this area. It is an area of
deprivation, low attainment and vulnerable children.
·
The area has high incidents of anti-social
behaviour, there is a high density of off licences in this area and
Enforcement Officers have issued notices for breach of
conditions.
·
Street drinking is a problem for the area, however
there are also people who live in the area who drink in their
homes, gardens, and the streets around Harehills Lane. It was
acknowledged that this is part of the culture but does impact on
the area for anti-social behaviour.
Cllr
Arif – Gipton and Harehills Ward Councillor provided the
following points for the Sub Committee Members:
- Cllr
Arif said that she was born and lived in the area and now
represented the area.
- Harehills has had to have a Cumulative Impact Policy, PSB Order,
a Closure Order and selective licensing due to the issues in the
area.
- 70% of
the shops on the high street sell alcohol. Alcohol impacts on the
lives of the people of Harehills especially the young people and
children who have to walk past large groups of drinkers, see them
fighting and hear shouting and swearing.
- It was
her view that there was nothing family friendly about this proposed
store as large groups will gather outside and intimidate people as
they go in.
- Cllr
Arif brought the map appended to the report at Appendix B to the
attention of the Sub Committee highlighting the residential streets
surrounding these premises indicating the route that children take
to school and that they already have to pass 8 off licences 2-3
times each day. She said that people have to go into the road to
pass the large groups who congregate outside these shops. She did
not want to normalise this behaviour for young
children.
- She
told the Sub Committee that an elderly lady rings her on a regular
basis to say that she feels intimidated by the issues in this area.
She can see people drug dealing on the street corner where this
store is proposed.
- Cllr
Arif was of the view that the contingent £5 spend would not
deter people from buying alcohol as they would pool resources to
get the money required.
- Cllr
Arif quoted statistics which indicated that Harehills has the
highest domestic violence levels in the city and is the
14th most deprived area in the country.
- Cllr
Arif read out one of the comments provided by a resident opposed to
the application who feels intimidated by issues in Harehills and
saying that her garden is often used as a toilet by the street
drinkers.
- She
said that her and her ward colleagues are trying to do what they
can for the area.
The
Officer from Public Health provided the following
information:
- Public
Health use a Data Matrix that shows alcohol is a high-risk factor
in Harehills.
- The
video of the premises shows alcohol on shelves as the first item as
you walk in the door.
- Harehills has the second highest number of off licences in
Leeds. There are a lot of children in this area. The area is
deprived and is still struggling after the Covid-19 pandemic, some
people are using alcohol as a coping mechanism.
- There
is also a lot of looked after children in this area, who are
vulnerable.
- Dr
Anderson – Clinical Director of Primary Care Network was
quoted as having said that statistics showed people in the area
having poor health, dying young. It is a fact that alcohol is
harmful to health causing cancer, liver damage and mental health
issues.
- The
Health Watch Report in 2021 indicated that residents were worried
about the number of street drinkers and the impact of children
seeing this type of behaviour on a daily basis.
The
Officer from the Environmental Protection Team made the following
points:
- The
team deal with statutory nuisance at licenced premises. The
premises are located close to residential properties and there is
the concern that the late hours of opening could cause issues in
relation to large groups of people congregating and being noisy
through drink, shouting and yelling.
- It was
not thought that people would be put off buying alcohol with the
£5 contingency purchase but would pool resources to get
alcohol. It was also known that given the late hours people will
travel to get alcohol after the supermarkets close.
The
Officer from the communities Team provided the following
information:
- The
officer explained that his role was to look after a number of areas
outside the city centre to ensure that they were safe for residents
to use. However, Harehills Lane is different to other town centres
and like Armley requires the use of a cumulative impact policy. It
also has a specialist officer for these areas due to the issues
arising from street drinkers.
- It was
his view that people would pool together their money to get the
£5 of groceries required to purchase alcohol.
- He
said that the premises in Harehills was close to a nursery, library
and community hub which was used by young people of the
area.
Responding to questions from Members the Sub Committee were
provided with the following information:
- The
Closure Order for Harehills had been granted in December 2021 but
extended until May 2022. It was noted that the Order is usually
only for 3 months with one renewal. It had been effective when in
use.
- Mr
Semper said that they had worked closely with the Police in other
areas and were willing to continue to work with the Police in
Harehills.
- It was
acknowledged that the Environmental Protection Team only had powers
relating to Statutory Nuisance. It was difficult to prove people
shouting and yelling compared to the playing of loud
music.
- There
was evidence which was part of a survey undertaken that in this
area people do drink at home and then rather than use their own
toilet come outside to urinate in the street.
- There
is a monthly meeting with various agencies and officers which meet
with councillors of the Gipton and Harehills ward and Burmantofts
and Richmond Hill ward to discuss issues of alcohol related
incidents. It was noted that an Outreach Worker had been funded to
work with people in the area to address issues.
- Currently there are 20 plus licensed premises in the area and
the Cumulative Impact Assessment addresses the licensing objectives
such as the protection of children from harm and crime and
anti-social behaviour. Not only are there a number of vulnerable
children in the area but also a number of vulnerable adults. It was
noted that Touchstone have been successfully used to try and
address some of these issues.
- It was
noted that Harehills is the 9th highest in the city for
alcohol related stays in hospital. Harehills also has the highest
number of domestic violence incidents and has a number of families
on benefits and receiving universal credit.
- It was
noted that there have been incidents of people both male and female
passed out on the street through alcohol.
- The
large groups can be aggressive shouting abuse which is sometimes
racial.
- It was
noted that people come from outside the Harehills area such as
Morley and Beeston to drink.
- The
applicants said that the store was for the Polish and Romanian
communities who live in Harehills. It would be the only store of
its type catering for Eastern Europeans.
- The
alcohol that they proposed to sell would be expensive not cheap
lager or ciders.
- They
had not had any issues at the stores they already managed. They
would have CCTV inside and outside the store.
- The
applicants said that they would not be able to have an effective
business without the sale of alcohol. People did not want to go to
two or three shops for provisions but preferred to be able to buy
all goods at one shop.
Members
were of the view that the conditions proposed were not robust
enough to ensure that the licensing objectives would be
met.
RESOLVED – To refuse the
application.